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. >> gregg: you can hear the defense lawyers say that he was really brainwashed by his older brother. he was manipulated. he was emotionally and mentally easily and unduly influenced? >> no juror is going to buy it. when they look at what he has done, whether he was brainwashed many jurors will listen to this with such atrocity and such incredible damage to the million people that basically were in shutdown for 24 hours, it's ridiculous. >> it's all true but it may not be that easy during the phase of the case. jury will look at the fact this is a 19-year-old kid. we don't know what his mental capabilities was at the time. coercion aspect of it, mercedes is probably right, but i do think there is a chance he may be forgiven. >> he a college student. he is 19 years old, he is not a child. >> gregg: timothy mcveigh, they had to change the venue. do you expect a change of venue because similarly, bostonians were traumatized by it? >> i think they will try to. i don't think it will be emotional but i think it will be >> the whole country was so engaged. >> gregg: and the state could prosecut
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